The game is Stud H/L live game and on Fourth Street you hold A-2-3-6 with no suit. On Third Street 3 players put in one full bet. Player A’s board reads K-K and you are CERTAIN that player has three kings. Player B’s board shows 8-6, and you assume he holds a four card low. The question is, if the K-K bet on fourth street and the 8-6 raises making it two bets to you, what would be the correct mathematical play? You have virtually no chance to win the high, and the other opponent most likely holds 5-6-7-8 or a hand similar. So, should you invest the two bets on four even though you are probably only drawing to half the pot?
A similar question came up later. Say on fifth street you hold the A-2-3-6-9 and are against an obvious high K-K-4, and an obvious 8 low 8-6- 4. If the K-K bet and the 8-6-4 raise should you call? Again you assume the K-K has three and the 8 is already made. If you do call, if the K-K-4 is full, you may have to face as many as 5 bets on Fifth Street, and possibly five more on Sixth Street.
I think this is a definite call. If you make your low next card, especially a 6, you and the kings are going to be able to whipsaw the guy still drawing…a juicy (and profitable) situation if the kings will play with you. I’d call the raise, and hope the kings aren’t full. Even if they are, and you are correct in reading your low opponent, any low you make is probably going to be good. Maybe I’m fishy, but I’m going to take that whipsawing (if it happens) and take one off. I might even go to the end if the 864 catches bad and my low cards are still very live.
Your immediate odds suck. Your paying 2 bets to win 3+ (6 + ante in the pot) with a chance of a re-raise behind you and your something like a 1:2 dog to make a low. The problem I see is that if you can read KK for trips and the low straight draw can read you for a low and KK for trips then you don’t have any implied odds to make up for the crappy immediate odds. I think it’s a fold. If the 8-6 is one that normally goes too far with his hands you might have a really thin call, but I think that’s more fantasy then reality. So you called the 2 and KK didn’t jam? There are 7.5 bets (3.5) + ante in the pot and its 2 to you. A close fold. The ante is probably enough to make the call marginally correct but the made right and made low are going to jam up the pot. Drawing to half the pot against two made hands that are:
(1) Going to jam it up and
(2) Can see you improve is death.
I think both situations are pretty clear FOLDs. I would want some decent scoop potential to continue in this situation. For example, if instead I held 2-3-4-5 with three suited up in a live suit and the aces and remaining sixes are live then I would give it a shot.